Comments on: Rick Warren http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/ Daily snapshots from a planter, pastor and shepherd. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:42:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: judwe http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1129 judwe Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:03:13 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1129 What's your taste in Worship styles ? What is a worship "style"? HULA STYLE ??? You can get that here... http://www.saddleback.com/flash/venues.html Not to beat a dead horse but the "worship experience"is usually the lead off batter in church marketing. Might be the reason a huge percentage of churches actually pay musicians on a weekly basis. I like it when a church actually allows the Holy Spirit to "market" his church by preaching the Gospel unashamedly. Worked then, works now. EXPOSITORY PREACHING !!! Of course to the unregenerate that message might not be "relevant". What’s your taste in Worship styles ? What is a worship “style”? HULA STYLE ??? You can get that here… http://www.saddleback.com/flash/venues.html

Not to beat a dead horse but the “worship experience”is usually the lead off batter in church marketing. Might be the reason a huge percentage of churches actually pay musicians on a weekly basis.

I like it when a church actually allows the Holy Spirit to “market” his church by preaching the Gospel unashamedly. Worked then, works now. EXPOSITORY PREACHING !!! Of course to the unregenerate that message might not be “relevant”.

]]> By: Babylon's Dread http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1128 Babylon's Dread Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:25:22 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1128 Methinks I sense another convert to Calvin. Look Judwe, I got no problem with your convictions... I just think you misfire when aiming at Warrne... PDL and PDC are not my cup of tea either. Seeker friendly is not my way... not at all... I am a Holy Spirit guy.... but Warren is no bogeyman. I am sure you are not either.... Methinks I sense another convert to Calvin.

Look Judwe, I got no problem with your convictions… I just think you misfire when aiming at Warrne… PDL and PDC are not my cup of tea either. Seeker friendly is not my way… not at all… I am a Holy Spirit guy…. but Warren is no bogeyman.

I am sure you are not either….

]]> By: Chris Elrod http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1127 Chris Elrod Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:35:16 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1127 Jud - "...and it's a Worship "experience" hmmmmm...His or mine?" Pretty powerful thought there!!! Jud - “…and it’s a Worship “experience” hmmmmm…His or mine?”

Pretty powerful thought there!!!

]]> By: Judwe http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1126 Judwe Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:13:40 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1126 Hey Chris ! What is up? Babylon... Are you trying to say that I am crucifying Rick Warren? The life blood of a Saddleback or almost any other "Church growth" church is the mocking of traditional brothers and sisters to comfort the unease of the "seeker". I know, I used to be a part of that. Re-read "The Purpose Driven Life" and tell me exactly where the subject of Repentance and Godly Sorrow are emphasized? That's where I have a problem with MOST of todays Christian "Leaders". It's just like fast food restaurants that remove anything remotely healthy in order to satisfy the taste buds. The object of consumption is relegated to what satisfies the senses, actual nourishment is no where NEAR the object of feeding people. This is what the church has picked up on... the "Have it Your way!" brand of delivery. I know, I was a part of it for a long time... I watched it from the inside. Worship time wasn't about worshiping a risen saviour... it was about manipulating peoples emotions. Much of todays lyrics are about I, Me and We... not He.... and it's a Worship "experience" hmmm... His experience or mine? Hey Chris ! What is up?

Babylon…

Are you trying to say that I am crucifying Rick Warren? The life blood of a Saddleback or almost any other “Church growth” church is the mocking of traditional brothers and sisters to comfort the unease of the “seeker”. I know, I used to be a part of that.

Re-read “The Purpose Driven Life” and tell me exactly where the subject of Repentance and Godly Sorrow are emphasized? That’s where I have a problem with MOST of todays Christian “Leaders”. It’s just like fast food restaurants that remove anything remotely healthy in order to satisfy the taste buds. The object of consumption is relegated to what satisfies the senses, actual nourishment is no where NEAR the object of feeding people. This is what the church has picked up on… the “Have it Your way!” brand of delivery. I know, I was a part of it for a long time… I watched it from the inside. Worship time wasn’t about worshiping a risen saviour… it was about manipulating peoples emotions. Much of todays lyrics are about I, Me and We… not He…. and it’s a Worship “experience” hmmm… His experience or mine?

]]> By: Babylon's Dread http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1123 Babylon's Dread Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:38:19 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1123 Judwe ... filled in what was missing The world crucified Jesus ... It leaves the servants of Jesus in the hands of his 'friends' Warren is on your team Judwe... you should leave the crucifixion to the world they will get around to it but for now you got it covered. Sheesh! Judwe … filled in what was missing

The world crucified Jesus …

It leaves the servants of Jesus in the hands of his ‘friends’

Warren is on your team Judwe… you should leave the crucifixion to the world they will get around to it but for now you got it covered.

Sheesh!

]]> By: Chris Elrod http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1122 Chris Elrod Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:08:50 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1122 Jud - Welcome back to my blog...I was expecting you. :-) Jud - Welcome back to my blog…I was expecting you. :-)

]]> By: Judwe http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1120 Judwe Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:30:35 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1120 Is a servant greater than his master? What I mean by that is that the World toasts Rick Warren, it Crucified his master. BIG TIME DIFFERENCE. What I see more and more in this generation is a desire for acceptance. Rick has it, others are groping in the darkness for it. To me it is a tell tell sign. The World need not be drawn to Christ because they like his disciples. The World needs to be drawn to Christ because of the CONVICTION of THE HOLY SPIRIT by the PREACHING OF CHRIST and CHRIST CRUCIFIED and the call for REPENTANCE. Not the call to find the SELFS PURPOSE. -Jud Epting Is a servant greater than his master? What I mean by that is that the World toasts Rick Warren, it Crucified his master.

BIG TIME DIFFERENCE.

What I see more and more in this generation is a desire for acceptance. Rick has it, others are groping in the darkness for it. To me it is a tell tell sign. The World need not be drawn to Christ because they like his disciples. The World needs to be drawn to Christ because of the CONVICTION of THE HOLY SPIRIT by the PREACHING OF CHRIST and CHRIST CRUCIFIED and the call for REPENTANCE.

Not the call to find the SELFS PURPOSE.

-Jud Epting

]]> By: Mike http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1116 Mike Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:40:02 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1116 This just goes to show how judgemental we can be. Rick has got slammed many times. Like the rest of us he is not perfect, but I think we can all operate with a little more grace. You have to get to know someone to see what is in there heart. This just goes to show how judgemental we can be. Rick has got slammed many times. Like the rest of us he is not perfect, but I think we can all operate with a little more grace.

You have to get to know someone to see what is in there heart.

]]> By: Babylon's Dread http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1115 Babylon's Dread Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:36:45 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1115 Rick Warren ... is one of the most genuine and amazing men of God of our time. I had the joy of being around him on a number of occasions... he was always just as you describe. He i completely unpretentious and has never bought into the nonsense about being a king. May his tribe increase. Rick Warren …

is one of the most genuine and amazing men of God of our time. I had the joy of being around him on a number of occasions… he was always just as you describe. He i completely unpretentious and has never bought into the nonsense about being a king.

May his tribe increase.

]]> By: Mark R http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/rick-warren/#comment-1107 Mark R Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:53:32 +0000 http://pastorelrod.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1107 I'm enjoying the Conference via your posts - thanks for the post about Rick Warren, I needed to hear that. I’m enjoying the Conference via your posts - thanks for the post about Rick Warren, I needed to hear that.

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